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Emergency meet up for Trayvon Martin at West End Park now (11:30).
No justice no peace. Bring your hoodie.
Trayvon Martin was a good honorroll student in his ranks and this is a case of one other person going bad and an argument lead to mayhem and Florida is more intelligent than California due to the fact that Florida has more good christian and scholor like recipients and law enforcement is quite good but in the case here, the judge Debra Nelson was afraid of taking sides due to the opposing sides launching a civil suit against the judge. The judge had no choice but to let the lawyers battle it out and the jury to be a defacto third-party-regiment but in vitro. The case unfortunately went sour due to internal conflict. If this episide were to happen in Los Angeles, another version of the "Rodney King" debacle will erupt in earnest. Look at what happened in the Crenshaw neighborhoods of Los Angeles! Bikes were stolen from a Walmart store and security guards stabbed with knives during the shopliftings. The neighborhood virtually got "trashed". Some say the time of the year or season contributed to the event but this is just geo-politics and innuendo.
Now that people seem a little settled about the cop car buisness... who was the guy in the superhero costume? and why?
You give ATL cops too much credit. They aren't that intelligent.
Cops in ATL are lazy above all else. They DO recognize that if they'd brought out the tear gas and batons they'd have had a media shit-show to deal with, but they're not working some deep-level counter-insurgency effort. More than anything they're just not really that worried about high publicity demonstrations like that.
Atlanta has seen very little repression in the activist scene. Part of it is because of the potential for media backlash. Most of it is because most of the cops in this city are just flat-out lazy and they'd rather not waste their time on things like this.
"Thinker." A rather sympathetic portrayal. Quite the feat of erasure. As if thinking is what academics do.
I don't think I would be so sympathetic to a class of collaborators and recuperators even if for instance I was having thrust fun with a trust fund that is becoming (lol) an academic. But who knows!
Maybe you are right about there being no repression in Atlanta Trayvon demos. You are wrong however about the role of police in relation to all of this.
The state engages in counter insurgency against us and that means knowing when to lay back and let us tire ourselves out. By refusing to engage the demos that were illegally blocking traffic, the police were able to turn the crowd against the most radical sections of the crowd because a peace treaty is established: the marchers feel a privileged relationship to space that they know is both special becuase it is rare but that this is also a precarious set up: if the crowd escalates further they may lose the privilege of blocking traffic. In this scenario, the goal becomes marching in the street and not confronting the forces of order. Inside of this, anything that could put this goal at risk is scene as hostile. Thus, the crowd polices itself and solidarity is broken. This is a concept elaborated by British thinker Dr. John Drury for anyone interested.
Point being: 11:06 is sympathetic to counterinsurgency
"There was not any oppression at any of the Trayvon Martin rallies in Atlanta"
Response to revolution fetishist
Make sure you tell them that at the next rally. Also make sure you tell them that you realize they're not a bunch of 'Pussies and bitches" but that they just don't understand police repression like you do.
(Then high-tail it back to your community where you know you'll be nice and safe.)
BTW- it should also be mentioned that there was not ANY police repression at ANY of the recent Trayvon Martin rallies. Not only did they attempt to stop ANY of the marches or demonstrations, they blocked off the roads for people demonstrating.
So yea. You definitely made yourselves look like idiots in front of everyone.
A response to the fetishist who said
"Is there something that white kids from the suburbs know about police violence that black folks from the ghetto don't? Or are they comfortable in knowing that after they break a window they can go back to their own neighborhood and not have to worry about the consequences?"
In short: yes. There are things that ¨white kids from the suburbs¨could know that ¨black folks from the ghetto¨dont. There are entire educational and ideological apparatuses built with the purpose of making sure people draw the wrong conclusions about their own experiences. The tendency of some people to snitch and to insist that ¨the police are on our side¨is illustrative of what i am talking about: simply being repressed does not alone equip you with the ideas needed to destroy policing or to even critique your political enemy.
You have this idea that being white is enough to resist capture or police repression. Well it is not. ¨white kids from the suburbs¨who riot face extreme legal consequences for their actions every once in a while, believe it or not.
Let me be clear: there are things black folks know about the police that white folks may not but one does not learn by simply living, unfortunately. It is true that one must investigate the structure of the world.
Is it any surprise that the same people rallying for more black cops and black politicians and black capitalists also hurry to justify the behavior of black snitches?
We are anarchists. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean we aren't. You have not made yourself familiar with anarchist history if you think the things you do.
Furthermore, militancy comes in multiple flavors. There is an obvious difference between combative subversion of power and statist control of territory, right?
Breaking a window does not count as an "attack on police," it's an attack on the property of taxpayers. The police couldn't give a fuck, it's not their window.And I think Anonymous said it best:
"Is there something that white kids from the suburbs know about police violence that black folks from the ghetto don't? Or are they comfortable in knowing that after they break a window they can go back to their own neighborhood and not have to worry about the consequences?"And you're not anarchists, you don't give a fuck about the poor or the oppressed, you're not on some benevolent mission. You're a bunch of spoiled idiots with anti-social personality disorder. If you love militancy so much, join the fucking army.
To be clear for everyone: the demonstration on Monday featured a cop car having its windshield and drivers side window smashed in at the end. The "emergency demo" that was organized on facebook by random people right after the verdict came out did not see direct attacks on the police but did feature escalated militancy.As for all of the people talking about alienating people with militancy, it's a really hard argument to make. I agree you alienate some people but its just a hard fact that a ton of people only get involved if the struggle is gonna be rowdy - this demo was an example
So because one guy approved of it it was justified?
Don't get me wrong- I don't even give a shit anymore. Violent protest doesn't work. Peaceful protest doesn't work. Nothing works. (although the case could be made for organizing the working class which you will NEVER do by breaking shit.)
We're all fucked regardless, so do whatever you want. I'm just here to dispell the delusion that breaking a window is productive in any sense of the word, and you DID alienate most of the march by doing it, regardless of what one or two people (who are most likely oppressive towards women, as you admitted) told you.
What I witnessed was black youth expressing approval immediately after the attack on the police car. Some even seemed excited, and chanted "Fuck the police". One guy taunted "Y'all thought we were pussies, huh?" which, despite maybe being mysogynistic, implied that he took pride in the attack and identified with it.
There were also some people who disapproved, and a few who went so far as to snitch to the cops. So it was clearly a divisive action. But I didn't see any evidence that it was divisive along racial lines.A more important question is whether the attack encouraged or emboldened others to be more militant. I did see a few people stay and chant "fuck the police", but almost everyone else (including those who approved of the attack) immediately got the hell out of there. So at least at that time it didn't seem to escalate the protest. It may actually have de-escalated it. Time will tell if it had any effect on a larger scale, but that's also harder to see directly.
About 30 people left in the demo after the activist lame brains called it quits at Woodruff. About 10 people in masks. Several people joined from the sidewalk on Auburn when the group started chanting fuck the police - something the megaphone liberals never accomplished (when you talk at people they act like spectators).Basically all of the people who were left in the march after it left Woodruff for the final time were dragging shit into the street and cheering. The crowd was drastically changed from when the activists were present.Non masked members of the march began picking up bricks and shit. I don't know, yo, you sound like a jaded wanna-be head of state to me or someone who has never partcipated in active conflict with authority outside of the permitted script of american political culture. Speaking of doing the same thing over and over again - how come you still believe in symbolic peaceful demonstrations? Can't you feel the alienation washing over you? Can't you see that peaceful protests don't work at all and don't even feel particularly transgressive to the participants? Nobody is even making the case that a few dozen people being rowdy will change everything. Shit goes slow though. It takes a long time to build up a combative autonomous political force and culture. That's OK, too. No rush.
If you guys are really out just to fuck things up, why don't you start attending some Falcons games? Make those morons look bad for a change. You're more likely to find support there too after the neanderthals get done drinking and watching a bunch of mongoloids chase each other up and down a field for a couple of hours.
Especially when the Falcons lose a game...
BTW- 'most' of the group was NOT down with reckless vandalism. Most of YOUR cult may be (and believe me, you are a very small minority of the demo, which you would realize if you ever left your bubble) but you should realize by now that everytime you start breaking shit, you lose about 1/2 the crowd because people don't want to be associated with it.
It's not because they are afraid. It's not because they want to protect the state or the state's property. It's because they are intelligent enough to realize that what you are doing is pointless and counterproductive and only gives the state and media more justification for a crackdown.
What does breaking a window accomplish besides making you look cool in front of your 5 or 10 friends? All it does is piss everyone off and make them less likely to come out to the next one.
Have you not learned this by now? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Either that or infiltration...
Ironically enough, it's always black folks from communities that are most affected by police violence that demand that people who are doing the vandalism (usually white kids raised in middle class suburban neighborhoods) to stop.
Is there something that white kids from the suburbs know about police violence that black folks from the ghetto don't? Or are they comfortable in knowing that after they break a window they can go back to their own neighborhood and not have to worry about the consequences?
What I witnessed was a lot of folks who have been ACTUAL victims of police repression offering to not only give an accurate description of the people who did the vandalism, but also offering to ride with the police and apprehend them.
As usual, white people know whats up better than black people. At least that's what some of the folks on this board want you to think.
It was an ironic scene to witness. Joe Beasley, 76 year old black radical, asking 2-3 white kids in masks to stop tossing shit into the street. At one point one of the kids seemed like they were about to get agro on Mr Beasley. I know Mr. Beasley ended up leaving because he felt uncomfortable with the interaction. The group also threatened to "beat someone's ass" who was trying to stick up for Mr. Beasley.
11:14am are you done patting your self on the back?
Yeah only once did anyone try to stop people from throwing cones and it was some vocal well-known activists who have an identity to protect. Most of the demonstration was down with it. I'm sure something will be written up soon about this demo and the one yesterday but the emergency demo turned into a crazy thing: large sections of the crowd began dragging construction equipment and shit into the street in the pouring rain, smoke bombs, roman candles, broken window, spray paint etc. etc. no arrests. That's the fetishist version of it maybe one with more analysis is coming though.
There was a demonstration at 6pm then night after the verdict. It was last night and had like 1,000 people at it...and there is another one tonight at the AUC.
The demonstration in this post was to spread the word about a demonstration that was already underway, spontaneously organized, and was occuring downtown. The demo didn't happen because of this post. This post happened to let people know that some randoms (and some liberals) were already marching.
The capacity to successfully call a spontaneous night march is not a symptom of 'haphazard' 'hipster' organizing. Unless, by calling the organiziation 'hipster,' you mean to signal that, in 2013, spontaneous action is dependent upon the instantaneous communication systems that facilitate most of contemporary social networking.
yall we have to be hip, at least to the era! We have to be in touch with the world around us. Some 'political' people were doubting that shit would even happen around Zimmerman's trial. People who were paying attention to MSM, facebook, twitter, instagram, whatever else the kids use these days all knewww there would be something. It doesn't work to push forward the same line, the same form, the same model for action that was more suited to pre-1999 or even pre-2008.
not that spontaneity is anything new. i heard lenin would even go on criticizing it, too. i think he just wanted to manage all hte people and he didnt believe in the capacity of people to actually act for themselves wihtout a vanguard. i dont believe in that.
Maybe u are just bummed that you couldnt make it and wish you were better plugged into lines of communication that wouldve allowed you to go. I feel that. The remedy, though, is for us all to spend time becoming aware of the contemporary situation: mainstream shit, social networking shit like facebook and tumblr and twitter and whatever, anarchist news (in our city, in our state, region, country), communist news, international news, etc. We cant just say "wtf u shouldve let me know" you know?
I guess i just want to make clear that "organizign" doesn't just mean that all of our shit that could ever possibly happen is perfectly in line and ready to go and all hte people have been outreached to and blah blah blah. Organizing indicates a process of growing our power, growing our capacity -- & this means, in part, obliterating the gap between 'organizing' (war) and ordinary life. So it will make sense, and does make sense, to be able ot internet all your friends and get them in the streets in 1hr. That's good. Of course, the internet shoutout cant' be the only way we organize. Exercising hte capacity to get out into the street really fast is probably more a symptom of organizing + what the world is thinking about rather than the way to do increase our capacity in itself.
From the MSM article:
"Some of the protesters covered their faces and some tried to throw cones into the streets, while other protesters shouted at them to stop"
Pathetic peace police.
These people should be attacked violently for being the cockroach pigs that they are.
Cowards. The lot of them.
If you don't want to struggle or stand for something why not just stay home?
I thought this was supposed to be six pm the night of / after the verdict?
Wish I could have gone but it's impossible to keep up with the haphazard hipster way things get organized. anyway, Im glad some people made it out...
hard to believe the media wouldn't give an accurate depiction of events..stunning!
From a Creative Loafing commenter named "i predict a riot":
"This isn't complete reporting at all. The march didn't return to Woodruff Park and then end. It circled back up Auburn avenue with like 30 people and basically the whole crowd was dancing to some drummer or some such thing while they gleefully dragged construction equipment, police barricades, and traffic cones into the street. Last I witnessed, people began picking up bricks and I saw that the Esten Group (is that what it's called) had a front window smashed out. Everyone escaped, it seems, with no arrests. I am a little disappointed that this coverage is so incomplete. I mean, hell, the media was there and there were a ton of bar patrons watching the damn thing."
local news on the demohttp://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/07/14/trayvon-martin-protest-in...
Moved to Woodruff as of midnight